{"id":633,"date":"2004-06-03T12:10:35","date_gmt":"2004-06-03T19:10:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/?p=633"},"modified":"2004-06-03T12:10:35","modified_gmt":"2004-06-03T19:10:35","slug":"the-second-attitude","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/2004\/06\/03\/the-second-attitude\/","title":{"rendered":"The Second Attitude"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;If it&#8217;s not on the web, then it does not exist!&#8221;<br \/>\nYesterday I went to the library for the first time in a long time.  I had forgotten how interesting it can be to browse the shelves.  I picked up a copy of Roger Penrose&#8217;s thesis &#8220;An Analysis of the Structure of Space-Time&#8221; (1969?) which has, so far, been a totally fascinating read.  I have vague recollections of the importance of spinors in general relativity from the class I took from Kip Thorne, but at the time it hadn&#8217;t really occured that this could be more than a nice mathematical trick.  Penrose really drives home how the employment of spinors, rather than tensors, for describing general relativity might be a more appropriate representation of space-time.<br \/>\nAlso, in his introduction Penrose describes what is my favorite path towards reconciling quantum theory and general relativity:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The second attitude would be that quantum mechanics and general relativity cannot, or at least should not, be forced together into each other&#8217;s framework&#8230;that what is required is something more in the line of a &#8220;grand synthesis,&#8221; i.e. a new theory in which general relativity and quantum theory would emerge as different limiting cases, each applicable to its appropriate domain of phenomena, and in which, hopefully, semi-philosophical quantum mechanical questions as the meaning of an &#8220;observation&#8221; might be resolved.  In fact, this&#8230;point of view is the one to which I would, myself more readily incline.  But it is, for the present, possibly something of the lazy man&#8217;s way out, since it provides the relativist with an excuse for not tackling directly the substantial problems of quantization!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In physics, history has shown us many examples of theories whose validity in certain regimes breaks down when the theory is moved into a new regime.  Sometimes the answer to resolving this is revolutionary (Why doesn&#8217;t an electron in orbit around an atom radiate away all it&#8217;s energy?  The Bohr atom and then quantum theory!) and sometimes it is not as revolutionary (How do we explain the weak force?  Fermi&#8217;s theory seems fairly good but it is not renormalizable.  Do we need to talk about nonrenormalizable theories?  No Glashow-Weinberg-Salam theory is renormalizable!  We just had the wrong theory!)  What astonishes me about the theoretical physics community is just how much is invested in the nonrevolutionary point of view: that it should be possible to &#8220;quantize gravity&#8221; (either string theory or loop quantum gravity.)  There are only a few crazies (t&#8217;Hooft and Penrose, for example) who seem to be persuing Penrose&#8217;s &#8220;second attitude.&#8221;  Part of the reason for this is dictated by the success of the traditional program: we&#8217;ve bagged electrondynamics, the weak force, and the strong force.  Since in all of these cases we successfully quantized a classical theories, it seems reasonable to suggest that the &#8220;final&#8221; classical theory, gravity, should also fall to the quantization gods.  But historical success does not the future guarantee!  And so I will joyously spend too much of my time dreaming up ways to derive quantum theory and general relativity in the respective domains!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;If it&#8217;s not on the web, then it does not exist!&#8221; Yesterday I went to the library for the first time in a long time. I had forgotten how interesting it can be to browse the shelves. I picked up a copy of Roger Penrose&#8217;s thesis &#8220;An Analysis of the Structure of Space-Time&#8221; (1969?) which &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/2004\/06\/03\/the-second-attitude\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;The Second Attitude&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[63],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-633","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-quantum"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/633","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=633"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/633\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=633"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=633"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dabacon.org\/pontiff\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=633"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}