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	<title>Comments on: Physicists and Computer Scientists</title>
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	<description>Theoretical Musings</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://dabacon.org/pontiff/?p=1154#comment-60276</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 05:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I cluess non-science guy, I liked the analogy between quantum entanglement and (not violating) the speed of light, and quantum computing and (not solving) NP-Complete problems.  At least I can classify them together as &#039;way to subtle for me&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I cluess non-science guy, I liked the analogy between quantum entanglement and (not violating) the speed of light, and quantum computing and (not solving) NP-Complete problems.  At least I can classify them together as &#8216;way to subtle for me&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Aaronson</title>
		<link>http://dabacon.org/pontiff/?p=1154#comment-60274</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Aaronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Besides, Scott is a good computer scientist and already knows all the things in my previous post anyway.&quot;

Hey Andrew!  I was going to make that exact point, but I see you already know that I already know those things. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Besides, Scott is a good computer scientist and already knows all the things in my previous post anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey Andrew!  I was going to make that exact point, but I see you already know that I already know those things. <img src='http://dabacon.org/pontiff/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bacon</title>
		<link>http://dabacon.org/pontiff/?p=1154#comment-60269</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get back to work Andrew!  Oh, wait, what am I doing posting right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get back to work Andrew!  Oh, wait, what am I doing posting right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew L.</title>
		<link>http://dabacon.org/pontiff/?p=1154#comment-60268</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would start a blog, but I just know it would be a huge time sink.  I probably shouldn&#039;t even be making this post right now!  For the moment, I prefer trolling your blog and others&#039; every now and again and contributing my two cents when my hackles get raised.

As for me versus Scott on the blogosphere, I tend to agree with Scott most of the time, so such a matchup wouldn&#039;t be all that exciting.  Besides, Scott is a good computer scientist and already knows all the things in my previous post anyway. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would start a blog, but I just know it would be a huge time sink.  I probably shouldn&#8217;t even be making this post right now!  For the moment, I prefer trolling your blog and others&#8217; every now and again and contributing my two cents when my hackles get raised.</p>
<p>As for me versus Scott on the blogosphere, I tend to agree with Scott most of the time, so such a matchup wouldn&#8217;t be all that exciting.  Besides, Scott is a good computer scientist and already knows all the things in my previous post anyway. <img src='http://dabacon.org/pontiff/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bacon</title>
		<link>http://dabacon.org/pontiff/?p=1154#comment-60264</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew when are you going to start your own blog?  I want dualing Scott Aaronson versus Andrew battles on the blogosphere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew when are you going to start your own blog?  I want dualing Scott Aaronson versus Andrew battles on the blogosphere!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew L.</title>
		<link>http://dabacon.org/pontiff/?p=1154#comment-60261</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What computer scientists should know about computational complexity (that physicists already do):

1) The cost of computational complexity is measured  by &lt;b&gt;action&lt;/b&gt;, not time.  I.e., one can sometimes solve a problem more quickly by dumping more energy into it.

2) Computational problems can be solved in &lt;b&gt;continuous time&lt;/b&gt;.  I.e., time does not have to be discrete for computational complexity to be nontrivial.

3) Computation is &lt;b&gt;local&lt;/b&gt;.  I.e., nonlocal computational models are unrealistic because known physical laws are fundamentally local.  Even topological quantum computation requires particle fusion for readout, which is a local process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What computer scientists should know about computational complexity (that physicists already do):</p>
<p>1) The cost of computational complexity is measured  by <b>action</b>, not time.  I.e., one can sometimes solve a problem more quickly by dumping more energy into it.</p>
<p>2) Computational problems can be solved in <b>continuous time</b>.  I.e., time does not have to be discrete for computational complexity to be nontrivial.</p>
<p>3) Computation is <b>local</b>.  I.e., nonlocal computational models are unrealistic because known physical laws are fundamentally local.  Even topological quantum computation requires particle fusion for readout, which is a local process.</p>
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